The Angry Catholic Interviews Michael Voris

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SCRANTON, Pa. (ChurchMilitant.com) - A Catholic couple spoke with Michael Voris recently about Churchmen employing a common defense mechanism — to the detriment of Holy Mother Church.

Paul and Kristen Ciaccia, on their podcast The Angry Catholic podcast, interviewed Voris in a 50-minute, three-part episode discussing how Churchmen project the damage they are doing onto the faithful Catholics who are calling them out.

They began by reminding listeners about the time Scranton bishop Joseph Bambera banned Voris from speaking on Church property in 2017 while green lighting a Planned Parenthood speaker and Nuns on the Bus pushing for mass immigration and open borders. Bambera justified his ban by calling Voris "insensitive."

Perplexed by Bambera's description, Paul asked Voris to help him figure out why leaders in the Church — the ones who have abused children and allowed the abuse to happen — then describe those speaking the truth as "insensitive" or "divisive."

"How how on earth can they even say [that] with the wake of the destruction that they've allowed to happen? I mean, like children, you know, young men, women were abused on their watch. But yet you're the bad guy," the podcaster remarked. "Why are you such a bad guy?"

"That's true in what they understand the Church to be. That's true," Voris said. "They have built up a facade of what Catholicism is."

In their fake Catholic church, "everybody goes to Heaven," he added.

Speaking to the power of suggestion, he said, "They don't say that directly because they can't" because "it's a direct violation of canon law — of course, some people go to Hell because our Lord tells us in the gospel of Matthew ... Judas goes to Hell. ... 'Better for him he had never been born.' So I know some people are in Hell."

But "They deliberately ... refuse to say the truth because they know it will cost them. ... They can't say ... an enormous number will go to Hell," Voris noted.

Explaining their reticence, he said, "They can't talk like that because ... it's detrimental to the church — small c — that these men have built ... a social justice, Democratic Party talking point ... And they hide behind the scenes."

"It all about the corporal works of mercy. But they never breathe a word about the spiritual works," he said summarily.

Listen to Your Hunches

Voris explained how the hierarchy's loss of supernatural faith dawned on him — gradually — after his own conversion back to the Faith. He said it was like:

walking down the yellow brick road and everything's beautiful and the fields are full of flowers ... all of a sudden you just get this whiff. You don't know exactly what it is or where it's from. You get this whiff of like a cow dung pile ... then, you know, a few days later, you smell ... the rotting, fetid corpse of a skunk ...You're like, what is this? And eventually some things start to click with you, like, what is this? I'm so happy walking around this lovely place. And I keep getting hit with these things like warning signs or, you know, horrible hunches. Something's not right. The priest shouldn't have said that. That doesn't seem right.

But Voris said "those horrible hunches" are really "the grace of conversion taking root in you, because God doesn't want you to belong to this horrible, fake church that's been set up."

"So through the grace of our Lord and the grace of conversion, things ring like phony to you," he explained. "Something's bells are going off and you have to follow those bells."

The faithless hierarchy "do not speak out against the evil," he says. "When the evil advances, they shut up."

Bought and Paid For

Paul launched into the second part of the podcast by noting the role money plays in the life of the Church.

"In God we Trust, the rest pay cash," the podcaster quoted his own father as saying as he was growing up as a way to explain Church hierarchy being in collusion with — and bought by — the U.S. government.

The couple then asked Voris to comment on bishops' "sitting on piles and piles of money" and "begging for more from the American taxpayer."

"What I care about is that dioceses with those material resources are not headed by a faithful man," Voris said, "whose number-one concern is getting the souls in his charge to Heaven."

"These guys don't have substantial faith or don't demonstrate any understanding of what the Church is for that, you know, they don't care. I mean, look how fast they shut down the sacraments for dioceses right now," he noted.

But the "rub" Voris points out is that "The bishops will not disclose their financials."

They want to keep that great, big, huge nest egg — that endowment — hidden from the laity.

"It's hundreds and hundreds, millions of dollars in Detroit" and "in New York it's a half a billion dollars."

Work on Yourself

In part three, Paul asked Voris for "marching orders," saying, "What can we do as lay Catholics to help?"

First, "You have to have your own spiritual house in order," Voris said. "[G]et off Facebook, or whatever it is, and start working on your ... own sanctification."

"Faith without works is dead," he emphasized.

Voris suggested Catholics "round up 15–20 people and just harangue the bishop's property with signs that say: "Release your financials. It's our money."

"Ask for the reviews of the faculty teaching at the seminaries. ... Are they teaching heresy? ... It's the layperson's right to know these things."

"Seek out a reverent Liturgy ... a good Mass," he lastly advised. "Goodness, this is the Catholic Church."

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