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Father Dariusz Oko is a Polish priest and professor at the Pontifical University of John Paul II in Krakow. He is best known for his 2012 paper "With the Pope Against the Homoheresy," which details a large homosexual network within the Catholic Church that is attempting to undermine the Faith from within. The Polish journal Super Express published the following interview with Fr. Oko this morning.
Super Express: You mentioned, Father, that you are in a position to finance the treatment of Fr. Christopher Charamsa, who admitted he was gay, and requests changes in the Church's teaching. Is he actually ill, or are we rather dealing with a cynical game?
Fr. Dariusz Oko: That we don't completely know, because we can never totally know the human soul. He does, however, give an impression of someone with personality disorders. It could well be cynicism, but that perfectly combines with disorders. But what he says, and the article in Tygodnik Powszechny, this hateful attack, showing such inconsistency, shows that we are dealing with a man possessed by hatred and sex, a man who places sex above God and the teaching of the Church. He wants to prohibit Catholics from any emphatic stand against the enemies of the Faith and the Church; Jesus spoke of whitewashed tombs, a brood of vipers, and murderers of the prophets. Yet Charamsa himself uses language that is violent, and with incredible aggression and contempt for people. This shows disorders. His disorder is also due to his succumbing to becoming homosexual. In this regard, he needs treatment, and I told him I would be happy to help him.
Super Express: Father Charamsa, prior to his coming out, with his now famous article in Tygodnik Powszechny, was for years believed to adhere to the Church. The editor now says that he knew about the orientation of the Fr. Charamsa and the text would still have been published.
Fr. Dariusz Oko: Father Boniecki even said that every word in this article is true. However, Fr. Charamsa could not even quote accurately in the Tygodnik Powszechny article. This is a betrayal.
Super Express: How is this betrayal shown?
Fr. Dariusz Oko: Gazeta Wyborcza and Tygodnik Powszechny have published dozens of hateful articles about me, and the height of this hatred was Fr. Charamsa's article, which, if possible, was to destroy me. We know that Gazeta Wyborcza is the nexus point of hatred against the Church. If we even say one word that is critical of Jews or gays, we learn that we are "anti-Semites" or "homophobes," people full of hate. In contrast, as was shown in Arthur Dmochowki's book Kosciol Wyborcza [the Church of Wyborcza], every issue, since its inception, has been published about the Church. All of these articles are either negative or very negative. Their journalists are volcanic with hatred against the Church.
Super Express: But Tygodnik Powszechny for years was seen as close to the Church?
Fr. Dariusz Oko: Tygodnik Powszechny lives in perfect harmony with GW [Gazeta Wyborcz]. It is therefore the center of the largest betrayal in the Church. Wyborcza has different sections, such as autos, women and religion. It is in this last section that Tygodnik Powszechny plays a role. One sees that on all sensitive issues it takes a stand with the atheistic left, and not the Church. TP directly and fanatically supports homosexuality, in vitro fertilization and abortion. Father Michal Czajkowski, who reported to the SB [the Polish secret service during the era of communism] on Father Popieluszko, as well as Bartoś, Obirek, Węcławski — they are the greatest betrayers of the Church, and the stars of Tygodnik Powszechny. I think Fr. Charamsa has outdone them all. TP attacks the teaching of the Church and the bishops. Just like Gazeta Wyborcza, it is a center of the greatest hatred towards the Church, and Tygodnik Powszechny is the center of the greatest betrayal. If that newspaper attacks me, I consider it an honor.
Super Express: You ended up as a hero through Fr. Charamsa's article.
Fr. Dariusz Oko: The text is full of inconsistencies. Fr. Charamsa confuses jihad with the Crusades. For such a thing a student at the seminary would fail the exam.
Super Express: But he finished in the seminary, is a doctor of theology, and until recently, was an important Vatican official. How is it possible to function like that in the Church for so many years?
Fr. Dariusz Oko: It is, unfortunately, the dark side of the Church. I myself wrote about the homolobby. There were in the Church people like Abps. Juliusz Paetz and Jozef Wesolowski. It would seem that people of their kind have provided a career for Fr. Charamsa. Those people are very supportive; it is the so-called "Lavender Mafia." This sick part of the Church has always existed. Judas among the 12 apostles constituted 8.5 percent. If you convert that to the 30,000 priests in Poland, it turns out that more than 2.5 thousand priests are living badly, like Judases. Charamsa belongs to this group of Judases, of Cains. Betraying the Church the person places himself above the bishops, theologians, popes, one can even say above God. Pope Benedict XVI said that genderism is worse than Marxism. Pope Francis said it is like a tsunami, demonic, satanic. Jesus spoke of whitewashed tombs, a brood of vipers, murderers of the prophets. According to Fr. Charamsa these words are unacceptable, our language should instead purr sweetly. If someone thinks he knows better than God on how to speak of this, it indicates a madness or possession.
Translation courtesy of Toronto Catholic Witness. Any republication of transcript should credit Toronto Catholic Witness. Original interview in Polish available here.
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